The Times and Fullness of the Gentiles
The fullness of the Gentiles is different from the times of the Gentiles.
I’m currently in the process of putting this Bible study together
defining the terms of these two periods of time.
Times of the Gentiles
And when ye shall
see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof
is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that
are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them
that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for
there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away
captive into all nations: and Jerusalem
shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles
be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and
in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing
them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on
the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
The times of the Gentiles speaks to the time from when Israel is led
away captive into all nations until Jerusalem is no more trodden down by
It ends when Jerusalem is no more trodden down by the Gentiles. We know
this to be when Christ returns in glory and takes the kingdoms. Until then,
the wicked of the earth are in charge.
Fullness of the Gentiles
For I would not,
brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should
be wise in your own conceits; that blindness
in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be
The fullness of the Gentiles is a referenced
to the blindness of Israel. They’ll be blinded until the fullness
of the Gentiles. When were they blinded? At the triumphal entry. Luke 19:41-44
They will be un-blinded when the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. Come
in to where? I believe this is speaking to those Gentiles that will obey
His Word and follow Yeshua. I believe the
harpazo of the
bride of Christ is the
fullness of the Gentiles. There is a point when the body of Christ (the
bride) has reached it’s fullness. We know this because God shuts the
door to the marriage and no more are added to the bride after the marriage.
This is dealt with in Matthew 25:1-13, the kingdom parable of the 10 virgins.
The triumphal entry was
before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. If these two
times started at different times, can they be referring to the same thing?
I don’t believe so. I believe the times of the Gentiles and the fullness
of the Gentiles speak to two different things, worldly Gentiles and saved
The Church and Israel Transition and Bible Prophecy
These are some comments resulting from discussion on
Prophecy’s discussion forum.
David L - “I think they will be able to read the road signs,
as Herb would say, and point people in the right direction according
to scripture. I believe there will be men who come in the character
of Jonah, in the character of John the Baptist, in the character of
Daniel, and so forth because many things have been sealed up for the
last days and God loves His people enough to raise up men that will
bring grain for the famine.
The first Christians were Jews and I believe the last Christians
will be Jews. The age of the Gentile has come to an end and it has been
documented by Jewish Rabbi’s that more Jews have become born again
in the last 18 years than in the last 18 centuries. Christianity has
been raped by the Hellenization of scripture which has put a veil over
the eyes of those who are trying to interpret the scripture from a Western
or Hellenized point of view.
The bible was written by Jews and is best understood from a Judeo-Christian
perspective. The Hebrew mind knows and understand the typology and the
midrash used by Paul and Jesus in the New Testament. The only ones who
have most recently come close to understanding these things were the
Plymouth Brethren. Today we have men like Jacob Prasch and Arnold Freuchtenbaum
who are Messianic Jews that are bringing us sound bible teaching from
a 1st Century Judeo-Christian perspective.
Don’t be surprised to see Christianity ripped out of the hands
of the Gentile church (the branches) and placed back into the hands
of Messianic Israeli Christians (the root), just as God said He would
do in Romans 9-11. It’s happening right now as we speak. These
are exciting times we are living in!!”
Hananai45 - “Another very interesting post David...
Since the New Testament was written in Greek I never really paid
much heed to the negative cultural effects of Hellenic culture on the
Scripture. Indeed for us to be completely anti-Hellenic we would run
the risk of being in opposition to some NT interpretations of the OT
If I may add some matter to the discussion for you - and others who
are interested - to comment upon, I belief what we have to discern here
is not merely the Hellenization factor (which if I’m not mistaken
has mainly come to our attention through recent papal discourse, which
of course is cleverly constructed to promote sinister agendas as per
Herb’s latest news link posted today), but a deeper Gentile effect:
indeed the application of cultural agendas to the interpretation of
Scripture , if I may call it such.
First Hellenization, then Latinization, then Germanization and Anglicization
and finally Americanization have dominated the cultural discourses of
Christian thought since the earliest times. Indeed Hellenization has
presented the Church with a variety of misconceptions and we can all
be in agreement that the standard of what is labeled Christianity in
the USA has an impact (mostly negative) on the other cultures and nations
of the globe.
We can see that the Jews can understand the Scriptures in ways we
could not see, yet it is the same vice versa for us in the Holy Spirit
reading passages in the Old Testament and interpreting it in ways the
Jews could not fathom. I suppose what you are proposing is God marrying
the two of these factors together, allowing Spirit-filled Jews to expound
on Scripture incredibly...It is a most interesting prospect to ponder
on I must say.
Remember only that the nation of Israel was the first to be offered
salvation and the majority did reject it and still do. Imagine the people
with the greatest capabilities of interpreting Scripture failing to
do so in such a way that concludes that JESUS CHRIST is the promised
Messiah. That was something only God could reveal, and I think we must
always remember that. If we are humble people with a heart for God,
he will reveal the mysteries of His Word, along with His Nature and
Glory, to us.
I pray many Jews will be saved in these final days, but if God’s
Word is able to separate the soul and spirit like a sword, we can rely
on Him to separate our cultural misconceptions from His Divine Truth.”
“Be not overcome
of evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:21
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